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Testimony by a South Carolina Freedman before the American Freedmen's Inquiry Commission

June 1863

Testifying before a War Department commission that was investigating the condition and prospects of ex-slaves, Harry McMillan discussed his people's lives in bondage and their aspirations in freedom.

Testimony Begins Here---

[Beaufort, S.C. June 1863]

Testimony of Harry McMillan. (colored)

Harry McMillan testified--

I am about 40 years of age, and was born in Georgia but came to Beaufort when a small boy. I was owned by General Eustis and
lived upon his plantation.

Q. Tell me about the tasks colored men had to do?

A. In old secesh times each man had to do two tasks, which are 42 rows or half an acre, in "breaking" the land, and in "listing"
each person had to do a task and a half. In planting every hand had to do an acre a day; in hoeing your first hoeing where you hoe
flat was two tasks, and your second hoeing, which is done across the beds, was also two tasks. After going through those two
operations you had a third which was two and a half tasks, when you had to go over the cotton to thin out the plants leaving two in
each hill.

Q. How many hours a day did you work?

A. Under the old secesh times every morning till night--beginning at daylight and continuing till 5 or 6 at night.

Q. But you stopped for your meals?

A. You had to get your victuals standing at your hoe; you cooked it overnight yourself or else an old woman was assigned to cook
for all the hands, and she or your children brought the food to the field.

Q. You never sat down and took your food together as families?

A. No, sir; never had time for it.

Q. The women had the same day's work as the men; but suppose a women was in the family way was her task less?

A. No, sir; most of times she had to do the same work. Sometimes the wife of the planter learned the condition of the woman and
said to her husband you must cut down her day's work. Sometimes the women had their children in the field.

Q. Had the women any doctor?

A. No, sir; there is a nurse on the plantation sometimes,--an old midwife who attended them. If a woman was taken in labor in the
field some of her sisters would help her home and then come back to the field.

Q. Did they nurse their children?

A. Yes, sir; the best masters gave three months for that purpose.

Q. If a man did not do his task what happened?

A. He was stripped off, tied up and whipped.

Q. What other punishments were used?

A. The punishments were whipping, putting you in the stocks and making you wear irons and a chain at work. Then they had a
collar to put round your neck with two horns, like cows' horns, so that you could not lie down on your back or belly. This also kept
you from running away for the horns would catch in the bushes. Sometimes they dug a hole like a well with a door on top. This
they called a dungeon keeping you in it two or three weeks or a month, and sometimes till you died in there. This hole was just big
enough to receive the body; the hands down by the sides. I have seen this thing in Georgia but never here. I know how they whip
in the Prisons. They stretch out your arms and legs as far as they can to ring bolts in the floor and lash you till they open the skin
and the blood trickles down.

Q What is your idea respecting the treatment of your people by the government--are they not to be taken care of?

A. They are got to be taken care of in this way,--to be protected, because they have not sense enough yet to take care of
themselves. I do not want the government to take too much expense on itself for them; I want it to let the colored people feel the
weight of supporting themselves.

Q. In speaking of each other do you say "negro"?

A. We call each other colored people, black people, but not negro because we used that word in secesh times.

Q. Do the colored people in their intercourse and dealings with each other tell the truth?

A. It is not always their habit; they learned to talk false to keep the lash off their backs, but now they are getting knowledge and
doing better.

Q. If a colored man gives his promise will he keep it?

A. Yes, sir; they know they ought to keep it.

Q. Will they steal from each other?

A. Not so much; they have done it, but they look upon this change as bringing about a different state of things.

Q. What induces a colored man to take a wife?

A. Well; since this affair there are more married than ever I knew before, because they have a little more chance to mind their
families and make more money to support their families. In secesh times there was not much marrying for love. A man saw a
young woman and if he liked her he would get a pass from his master to go where she was. If his owner did not choose to give
him the pass he would pick out another woman and make him live with her, whether he loved her or not.

Q. Colored women have a good deal of sexual passion, have they not--they all go with men?

A. Yes, sir; there is a great deal of that; I do not think you will find five out of a hundred that do not; they begin at 15 and 16.

Q. Do they know any better?

A. They regard it now as a disgrace and the laws of the Church are against it.

Q. They sometimes have children before marriage?

A. Yes, sir; but they are thought less of among their companions, unless they get a husband before the child is born, and if they
cannot the shame grows until they do get a husband. Some join a Church when they are 10 years old and some not until they are
30; the girls join mostly before the men, but they are more apt to fall than the men. Whenever a person joins the Church, no
matter how low he has been, he is always respected. When the girls join the Church after a while they sometimes become weary
and tired and some temptation comes in and they fall. Sometimes the masters, where the mistress was a pious woman, punished
the girls for having children before they were married. As a general thing the masters did not care, they liked the colored women
to have children.

Q. Suppose a son of the master wanted to have intercourse with the colored women was he at liberty?

A. No, not at liberty; because it was considered a stain on the family, but the young men did it; there was a good deal of it. They
often kept one girl steady and sometimes two on different places; men who had wives did it too sometimes; if they could get it on
their own place it was easier but they would go wherever they could get it.

Q. Do the colored people like to go to Church?

A. Yes, sir; they are fond of that; they sing psalms, put up prayers, and sing their religious songs.

Q. Did your masters ever see you learning to read?

A. No, sir; you could not let your masters see you read; but now the colored people are fond of sending their children to school.

Q. What is the reason of that?

A. Because the children in after years will be able to tell us ignorant ones how to do for ourselves.

Q. How many children have you known one woman to have?

A. I know one woman who had 20 children. I know too a woman named Jenny, the wife of Dagos, a slave of John Pope, who
has had 23 children. In general the women have a great many children--they often have a child once a year.

Q. Are the children usually obedient?

A. There are some good and some bad, but in general the children love their parents and are obedient. They like their parents
most, but they stand up for all their relations.

Q. Suppose a boy is struck by another boy what does he do?

A. If he is injured bad the relations come in and give the boy who injured him the same hurt. I would tell my boy to strike back
and defend himself.

Q. How about bearing pain--do you teach your children to bear pain?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. When a colored man was whipped did he cry out?

A. He would halloa out and beg, but not cry for pain, but for vexation.

Q. Did they try to conceal their whippings and think it a disgrace?

A. Yes, sir; they tried to conceal it; a great many are marked all over and have not a piece of skin they were born with.

Q. Have they any idea of the government of the United States?

A. Yes, sir; they know if the government was not kind to them they could not keep their liberty. When the war began a great
many of us believed that the government could not conquer our masters because our masters fooled us. They told us we must
fight the Yankees who intended to catch us and sell us to Cuba to pay the expenses of the war. I did not believe it, but a great
many did.

Q. What would the colored people like the government to do for them here?

A. They would like to have land--4 or 5 acres to a family.

Q. How many here could manage and take care of land?

A. A good many. I could take care of 15 acres and would not ask them to do any more for me.

Q. Suppose the government were to give you land, how long would you take to pay for it--five years?

A. I would not take five years; in two years I would pay every cent. The people here would rather have the land than work for
wages. I think it would be better to sort out the men and give land to those who have the faculty of supporting their
families. Every able bodied man can take care of himself if he has a mind to, but their are bad men who have not the heart or will
to do it.

Q. Do you think the colored people would like better to have this land divided among themselves and live here alone, or must they
have white people to govern them?

A. They are obliged to have white people to administer the law; the black people have a good deal of sense but they do not know
the law. If the government keep the masters away altogether it would not do to leave the colored men here alone; some white
men must be here not as masters, but we must take the law by their word and if we do not we must be punished. If you take all
the white men away we are nothing. Probably with the children that are coming up no white men will not be needed. They are
learning to read and write-- some are learning lawyer, some are learning doctor, and some learn minister; and reading books and
newspapers they can understand the law; but the old generation cannot understand it. It makes no difference how sensible they
are, they are blind and it wants white men for the present to direct them. After five years they will take care of themselves; this
generation cannot do it.

Q. Do you think the colored men are willing to fight for their liberty?

A. Yes, sir; if the government will protect them and give them a chance; but they must have white officers.

Q. Suppose the government protect the colored men against their masters and sell the land, half to the colored, and half to the
white, what would be the effect--would not the colored man sell his land to the white man.

A. I think he might; some of them are lazy and they do not understand how to take care of themselves against the white man; it is
necessary to have some one here to do justice to both parties.

Q. Would the colored men like to go back to Africa?

A. No, sir; there is no disposition to go back, they would rather stay where they are.

Q. Are there physicians enough here to take care of the sick?

A. I do not think there are doctors enough; the islands are very large. If you send for the doctor, he will come; probably if you
send for him one day you will see him a day or two afterwards. They do not get out of bed to go when called.

Testimony of Harry McMillan before the American Freedmen's Inquiry Commission, [June 1863], filed with O-328 1863, Letters Received, ser. 12,
Adjutant General's Office, Record Group 94, National Archives. Topical labels in the margin are omitted, as is a penciled interlineation that was
evidently added at a later date.

Published in The Wartime Genesis of Free Labor: The Lower South, pp. 250-54.